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Because they worked with Corexit and may be harmed by 2-butoxyethanol

One Navy man contacted me a couple of months ago and said that he was having trouble with his liver. He didn't understand it because he took care of himself, lived a clean life & shouldn't have such. He said he kept in touch with half a dozen of his ship mates and was going to see how they were doing. (Never bothered to tell them that he felt like crap)

I'm also interested in learning why there is 2/3 of the Navy Seabees that have been surveyed who served in 1990-1991 during the first Gulf War who have the 'gulf war syndrome' I'd like to know what they were doing when the felt their eyes burning like hot pokers were in them, and their urine turned dark and the next day ... horrible fatigue that didn't leave ... AND flu-like symptoms ... but it wasn't the flu. This is one way the body gives when it is complaining about too much of a chemical exposure of some kind Note this info continues with other things that go wrong when exposed to 2-butoxyethanol ... & most likely butyl ethers (The pesticide component ... & also in MTBE)

Headache and sore throat top the list of these. Note here how some Navy described their different headaches.

Think we could get the CDC to do a study on these Navy personnel?

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I think 'gulf war syndrome' is still going on ... that it is going on in the military today ... and everywhere. I think it is caused by the proliferation of butyl ether chemicals/pesticides and in particular 2-butoxyethanol (also known as ethylene glycol monobutyl ether) ... and that it has been for 60 years or more. It was invented in the 1930s and the chemical companies have made a lot of money off of the pain and suffering of our populace. But the military suffers the most. How much exposure must our troops be getting to have these symptoms?

I shared this morning with a real gulf war syndrome vet - a possible way to diagnose the harm of this chemical. Now that would be the same for CFS and CFIDS which in my opinion is a definition of gulf war syndrome (illness) although it came out in 1988 by CDC Please note that 2-butoxyethanol and diethylene glycol monobutyl ether are 2 chemicals the gulf war troops were exposed to. And Alaska US Senator, Lisa Murkowski, is asking the Dept of Defense from what known sources. When ethylene glycol is listed, it could also be the same, and there are a couple of others that appear to be from the same chemical family.

Now, if we could just get some doctors interested in this; and if the CDC would do some studies on the people groups harmed ...

Such as these NAVY

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... and for the children who would have been born ... for the families who would have children to love and to pass on their family name and ideals ... for those children who were born, but with deformities and learning disabilities to overcome... You see, this 2-butoxyethanol is a teratogen and it specifically damages the testes. Studies show that the quantity and quality of sperm has declined consistently at 2% per year for the last 40 years! Pointing the finger in this direction is a theory that makes sense!

This US Coastguardsman of the Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup bioremediation experiment is most distressed over the fact that he has zero sperm and he has been unable to father children.

The human suffering is unfathomable. Loss of family; homelessness; irregular thinking (McVeigh was a gulf war vet); the suicides .... Not to mention the Nation's loss of productivity and the EXHORBITANT medical costs and welfare costs, too.

When I see someone in their 50s with need of brain tumor removal surgery, I wonder what their parents did. Children of those so exposed, to the point of getting the CFS or 'gulf war syndrome' symptoms are at higher risk for tumor of the brain and leukemia per the World Health Organization The CDC only came out with statistics on brain tumors in 1977... so ....

Our human resource is our most valuable resource!

Worst exposure to this chemical is getting the fumes/vapors in one's eyes. There is such a thing as second-hand solvent exposure, and you don't even have to be in an intimate situation to get it from someone else.

And what's the worst of all? True patriots, now with gulf war syndrome symptoms of the 1990-1991 era have lost faith in their government, and at least 150,000 have registered with the American Legion

I think the chemical companies who have earned money on this chemical should reimburse the govt for medical costs and should subsidize the families who have lost their wage-earner, their head of household.

So, how did I learn about this chemical in the first place?

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 Point/Counterpoint   Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 7:18 am   Subject: I think 'gulf war syndrome' is still going on

Charlie:  You are certainly on the right track in pursuing this Gulf War Syndrome. Approxiametly 35% percent of Gulf War I era vets have applied for service connected disability....over 200,000. The numbers speak for themselves....these young men and women were exposed to horrible chemical, biological and probably psychological weaponry and it simply tears at our country.

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BlueHawk So many GIs over so many decades have been hurt by those chemicals... I got some alarmed the other day to learn that in this last go 'round some weapons were rushed into action without as much testing (not that it made any difference to deployers) as would be normal. I don't know what all they were scientifically, but it concerns me.

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The Gulf War Vets with 'syndrome' What I've noticed with many of them is that for so long they have looked in so many directions and had so many millions spent on studies ... with little conclusive results, that they can't imagine something as simple as a cleaning solvent/pesticide could have caused their harm. Now, the chemical family I suspect is on the list of exposures, but still, most of them can't encompass this thought. (& by the way, the discussion forums they have visited is thinning out; how many are still alive?)

Next they will be studying jet fuel and they really should find something there. Certain jet fuels have the pesticide label on them, so I suspect butyl ether which is a pesticide as the culprit. (MTBE is a fuel additive, you know) Somewhere the military has gotten ahold of Corexit (38% 2-butoxyethanol ... & that's not safe)

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Let me give you another example. The blood damage is compensated hemolytic anemia for a time, because the bone marrow compensates for the premature destruction of red blood cells. One particular gulf war vet who had done the most point-counterpoint dialogue with me, on 3 different forums and by private e-mail, too, had a post on a forum asking about the chills,
"I'm cold ... get the shivers ... it's really odd ... several times in the last few weeks I have been shivering (its almost like I was so cold i was shivering from it but I am not cold) this has lasted anywhere from 10 minutes to an hour. just wondering if any one else has been experiancing this I have a appointment at the VA on Wed, perhaps they may have some ideas.
So, as an aside, I shared with him personally, "Regulating body temperature is a function of the blood, just thought I'd throw that in." Then when he seemed interested these helps: http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section11/chapter127/127d.jsp


There is a hematologist that once was willing to work with someone's doctor about his low red blood cell anemia; - she was a Greek woman recommended to me by someone in our national centers Find her contact info here on the 'helps' page

Some beginning things shared with gulf war vets per discussion forum

Sperm decline and possible damage, too, per the exposure to 2-butoxyethanol (which is in many products & which troops get too much exposure to, especially in wartime) I think it would be good for a young man to have some sperm set aside in a sperm bank if he wants to have children for sure ...

I can tell you that those going to war are concerned about 'getting it' and don't want to bring it back to their sweethearts, etc.

I wonder about this soldier in Iraq today.

Can you imagine being tired every day of your life and depressed every day of your life, and nothing can help? (blood damage; central nervous system damage) These who are harmed by 2-butoxyethanol will feel this way. Those who do succeed in life, do so over insurmountable odds.

Someone has to be the advocate for those less fortunate.
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